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Poster: Jim Carlile Date: May 27, 2009 8:47pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Google's separate agreements with the contributing libraries require them to make public domain materials freely available in full view. All of them.

Problem is-- downloading is not mandatory-- this is entirely discretionary on Google's part.

So what's happening with these particular magazines is that Google will not even allow downloads of pre-1922 PUBLIC DOMAIN issues. This is a new one-- and a predictor of the future, no doubt, in their PD world.

When Google succeeds in installing their vending machines in libraries, and the libraries start throwing out their books in return, that's when the nightmare will truly begin. Libraries are also going to be getting a cut of this Google book business, too.

Popular Science from 1923-1963 is apparently in the public domain because most of the issues were not renewed per Copyright Office records. And I love the idea that the publishers have given Google "permission" to release pre-1923 issues-- how nice of them.

Anyone else notice that the cut-and-paste select tool is no longer operating on the Books site?

This is just as I thought-- Google is going to soon stop allowing downloads of PD works, and they are starting with those beyond 1922 whose status they have recently researched.

The sick thing is, when people try to warn the librarians about this, and to not let Google lock up the public domain, the torrent of abuse you get from them on their blogs is really un-frigging-believeable.

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Poster: Victor3 Date: May 28, 2009 6:14am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

It always worries me that often library and government people etc. think that making text "accessible in the internet" is sufficient. But only DOWNLOADABLE texts are really of use.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: May 28, 2009 5:04pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

quick tip, for saving small items from Google magazines, I have been using screen shots, after using F11 to make my browser got full screen.

I then paste into MS word. I would be very sorry to loose access to Popular Mechanics and Popular Science, I suspect it wont be long until Google wants payment, seeing so many people are hooked, I don't mind not being able to download a whole magazine, BUT they better not stop me reading on line.

For those who don't know, look by the scroll lock key on your keyboard, there is a key labelled like "Print Screen" in the old DOS days, it would sent all the text on the screen to a line printer, nowadays it just copies the screen to your clipboard as a image.

If you have your Clipboard viewer open, see what happens if you hit the Print Screen key more than once. Another bit of fun is, taking a screen shot of your desk top, making it a screen saver (via a picture editing software)on your PC, or wallpaper on another PC. E.g, XP screen shot on a Win 98 or Unbuntu PC.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: May 29, 2009 7:44am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Thanks for the tip. It should theoretically be possible to automate the process - turning the page, screen shot, build PDF with cropping - with scripting tools.

BTW my understanding is the magazine publishers have an add revenue sharing agreement with Google. Basically, PopMech has a free place to put its back archives online and make a little money to boot. Who would pay for 10 year old copies of PopMech so this gives them some benefit without much effort.

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Poster: jonc Date: May 29, 2009 11:05am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

"Thanks for the tip. It should theoretically be possible to automate the process - turning the page, screen shot, build PDF with cropping - with scripting tools."

Try opening the pages in tabs and using ImageMagick's import tool. This script will generate 10 PNG images in Linux:


# Assign a unique file name
screenshot='screenshot';
nano=`date '+%d%b%y-%N'`;
extension='.png';
file="$HOME/Desktop/screen/$screenshot-$nano$extension";

# Take the screenshots
import -snaps 10 -pause 5 $file;


Import will capture the full window on a click, or just the selection. "pause" is the time, in seconds, between captures. From there, it should be as simple as inserting the images in a PDF editor.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: May 29, 2009 9:59pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

I forgot to mention, I paste screen shots into my photo editor, where I do the cropping, then each shot goes into MS Word where I can drag each picture box to size it, and line up with earlier pictures, finally I print to a PDF file using CutePDF writer.

Thanks for the info on PM and PS. But is the agreement time limited? Once PM and PS see the demand, not for downloading whole issues, for on a item by item research basis, they might expect more money, and don't forget, Google is about making money, not about providing a free public service. They are only just beginning to explore the money making possibilities of the WWW.

I have a number of issues going back to the '30s, having access to all of the issues, is useful to me, because in the past, labour was cheap, so the way things were done in those days, would be useful today, to hobbyists without much money, but lots of spare time.

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Poster: garthus Date: May 30, 2009 5:12am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Time traveler,

Yes I have some older issues that I picked up on ebay, will be scanning them in now. Matbe we all should start scanning what we have and placing the scans into the Internet Archive.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: May 30, 2009 6:25pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Is that legal if Google has them tied up?

Most of mine are without covers, I bought them used in the early '70s.

Maybe grab missing covers off Google?

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Poster: garthus Date: May 30, 2009 8:23pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Time traveler,

I work for a library consortium and am very familiar with this are of the copyright law. Regardless of what Google orthe publisher may think, there was no renewal on these items and they are in the public domain. These issues can be put up without the covers as they ca be added later. I am planning on putting up many scifi pulps which are in the public domain, some without covers, which I will add later, this is fine especially if all of the pages are intact.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: May 30, 2009 10:26pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: A little p.s. about Google scans of post-1922 journals

Thanks Gerry,

Seeing I got a scanner, I will give it a go with my old stuff, as for your SiFi stuff, I will look forward to it.

TT